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Support for Canon 90D

Postby NNN637025232159724136 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:03 am

Just got the new Canon 90D and found that it is not yet supported in C1 Pro - it doesn't recognise the CR3 files produced by the camera as legitimate images for import.

The support team confirms lack of support with the usual advice to 'watch this space'.

Fortunately, I still have access to Lightroom and have used this to implement a workaround.

The trick is to import the 90D CR3s into Lightroom, export them as DNGs, then import the DNGs into C1 Pro.

By default, C1 Pro applies a generic DNG ICC Profile which renders images with all of the colours washed out. The fix for this is to apply the ICC Profile 'Canon EOS R Generic' to the imported images, which looks pretty close to the 90D.

It's obviously a lot a more effort, and you lose some metadata (plus you obviously need access to Lightroom), but I tried going back to Lightroom for post-processing and it reminded me why I made the move in the first place. It's much easier to process wildlife images in C1 Pro and keep the end result looking 'natural'.

If anyone knows of a simpler and more elegant workaround, I would appreciate your guidance.
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Re: Support for Canon 90D

Postby NNN637025232159724136 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:14 pm

Quick update: Adobe has a free DNG converter so no need to go via Lightroom: https://supportdownloads.adobe.com/deta ... ftpID=6735
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Re: Support for Canon 90D

Postby NNN636457384326875068 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:51 am

I'm waiting also for 90D support
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Re: Support for Canon 90D

Postby Marlon » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:15 pm

I have a M50 who produce .CR3 files and I can process them with C1 (as those from EOS R/RP, as I know).
Hope the support will be extended to your 90D soon :)
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Re: Support for Canon 90D

Postby Jim MSP » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:05 pm

NNN636457384326875068 wrote:I'm waiting also for 90D support



As am I.
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Re: Support for Canon 90D

Postby Jim MSP » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:08 pm

NNN637025232159724136 wrote:Quick update: Adobe has a free DNG converter so no need to go via Lightroom: https://supportdownloads.adobe.com/deta ... ftpID=6735


Except that I use LR as my main DAM. The CO catalog is still too immature for me. But at least the DNGs work for now.
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Re: Support for Canon 90D

Postby NNN636457384326875068 » Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:29 pm

When I use adobe to convert in DNG. In C1 the pictures are very pale. Any idea?
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Re: Support for Canon 90D

Postby Ian3 » Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:03 pm

I think that even if you convert to DNG, that may not help if the camera is not yet supported by Capture One. Not all DNG files are created equal, it seems.

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Re: Support for Canon 90D

Postby NNN636148425864100120 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:54 pm

I'm waiting too, I just opened a ticket.
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Re: Support for Canon 90D

Postby Jim MSP » Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:58 am

Ian3 wrote:I think that even if you convert to DNG, that may not help if the camera is not yet supported by Capture One. Not all DNG files are created equal, it seems.

Ian


I have found the same. Actually what I am currently doing while I wait for CO is to do a basic conversion in LR to a tiff, and then bring the tiff into CO. I can do a lot with the tiff.
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Re: Support for Canon 90D

Postby Jim MSP » Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:24 pm

Still no update. Rather disappointing, as the camera was available just about a month ago on the commercial market.
For the most part, I continue to stick with LR right now as I have not been thrilled with the few results I have gotten on a converted dng with CO.
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Re: Support for Canon 90D

Postby SFA » Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:41 pm

Jim,

Realistically any release schedule at this time of year (from any multi-platform developer, not just C1) would need to take into account the needs for the latest Mac OS and most often Windows too.

That Canon and others might choose to release a new camera (or lenses, etc.) at around the same time just adds to the challenge of balancing resources against unknown needs and externally influenced timing of events. And, of course, the unpredictable aspects of what the take up for a new Canon camera might be (amongst C1 users.)

I suspect a little patience may be required.



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Re: Support for Canon 90D

Postby Jim MSP » Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:43 pm

SFA wrote:Jim,

Realistically any release schedule at this time of year (from any multi-platform developer, not just C1) would need to take into account the needs for the latest Mac OS and most often Windows too.

That Canon and others might choose to release a new camera (or lenses, etc.) at around the same time just adds to the challenge of balancing resources against unknown needs and externally influenced timing of events. And, of course, the unpredictable aspects of what the take up for a new Canon camera might be (amongst C1 users.)

I suspect a little patience may be required.

Grant


I understand very well the concept of balancing resources - been there. I also understand knowing market forces and product planning. And I have reasonable patience.
But the 90D CR3 raw format has been out for a longer time, as Canon uses it on the mirrorless cameras as well. And certainly changing OS's always play a role. But - that is the field they have chosen to play on and the market they play in. How they respond to a major release from a major supplier to their market is very telling as to how they view themselves and the future.
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Re: Support for Canon 90D

Postby SFA » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:47 pm

Jim MSP wrote:
SFA wrote:Jim,

Realistically any release schedule at this time of year (from any multi-platform developer, not just C1) would need to take into account the needs for the latest Mac OS and most often Windows too.

That Canon and others might choose to release a new camera (or lenses, etc.) at around the same time just adds to the challenge of balancing resources against unknown needs and externally influenced timing of events. And, of course, the unpredictable aspects of what the take up for a new Canon camera might be (amongst C1 users.)

I suspect a little patience may be required.

Grant


I understand very well the concept of balancing resources - been there. I also understand knowing market forces and product planning. And I have reasonable patience.
But the 90D CR3 raw format has been out for a longer time, as Canon uses it on the mirrorless cameras as well. And certainly changing OS's always play a role. But - that is the field they have chosen to play on and the market they play in. How they respond to a major release from a major supplier to their market is very telling as to how they view themselves and the future.



You might understand Jim. Others passing through and reading your post - maybe not so much.

Even so support for Canon models usually comes a few weeks after they are finally available on relatively wide "worldwide" release. - Assuming Phase have been able to get hold of one should they find a need to lab test it.

I can only recall one instance where the camera release and C1 availability were almost on the same day and, from memory, that was the rather delayed 1Dx quite shortly before the Olympics event for which its marketing had been targeted. (Might have been another model but 1Dx is in my mind for that.

Whichever model it was I got the impression that Canon had ensured it had promoted the camera quite heavily to make sure it was accepted in volume as soon as possible. That does not seem to be the usual case.
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Re: Support for Canon 90D

Postby Keith Reeder » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:37 pm

Jim MSP wrote: How they respond to a major release from a major supplier to their market is very telling as to how they view themselves and the future.

I was reading much the same kind of "telling observation" on here (or its predecessor) more than ten years ago.

And yet here we are...
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