Return the color inversion function with the Levels tool

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Return the color inversion function with the Levels tool

Postby NNN636786087087418113 » Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:41 pm

Please return the color inversion function that was in version 9.3.0 of CaptureOne, and disappeared from version 10 and 11. In the Levels tool in version 9.3.0 you could cross the upper sliders, thus the image inverted colors, in versions 10 and 11 the sliders became it is impossible to cross and invert colors too. It is necessary to work with black and white and color negatives, shot with a SLR camera.
I rewrote more than 1000 frames of negatives, now I have to go back to version 9.3.0 to work with them, which is inconvenient.
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Re: Return the color inversion function with the Levels tool

Postby Kevin » Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:45 pm

Use the curve tool?
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Re: Return the color inversion function with the Levels tool

Postby NNN636786087087418113 » Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:20 pm

Thanks a lot Kevin, Curve tool works great !!! Without problems, I make positive pictures from negative, now I don’t have to go back to v9.3!
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Re: Return the color inversion function with the Levels tool

Postby Ian3 » Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:38 pm

You can cross the bottom sliders in Levels. Doesn't that produce the same effect?

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Re: Return the color inversion function with the Levels tool

Postby SFA » Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:49 pm

The lower sliders in the Levels tool still cross. (V11.3.1)

HTH.


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Re: Return the color inversion function with the Levels tool

Postby NNN636786087087418113 » Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:25 am

The bottom sliders intersect, the colors are inverted, but then the function A auto-levels no working.
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Re: Return the color inversion function with the Levels tool

Postby SFA » Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:46 pm

NNN636786087087418113 wrote:The bottom sliders intersect, the colors are inverted, but then the function A auto-levels no working.


Auto adjustment works for me. No change if it has already been auto adjusted previously of course. Undo that adjustment and Auto can be used again.

That said I'm working with RAW files when testing here. What sort of scanned files are you working with?

Also I'm not entirely sure that Phase should be much concerned with the facilities they offer for a digital RAW file converter also being complete for the requirements of scanned negative processing - at least not in terms of a consumer levell product although, of course, it is nice to have some facility included.

That said the Cultural Heritage version of Capture One probably benefits in its target market from offering some of the more specific features the help users working with older technologies and documents and presumably scanning and converting negatives to positives would be part of that.


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Re: Return the color inversion function with the Levels tool

Postby cdc » Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:19 am

SFA wrote:Also I'm not entirely sure that Phase should be much concerned with the facilities they offer for a digital RAW file converter also being complete for the requirements of scanned negative processing - at least not in terms of a consumer levell product although, of course, it is nice to have some facility included.

That said the Cultural Heritage version of Capture One probably benefits in its target market from offering some of the more specific features the help users working with older technologies and documents and presumably scanning and converting negatives to positives would be part of that.


I disagree and I'd guess that you don't work with film so you're not much concerned with it? Capture One is nearly an ideal platform for converting film negatives. Adding a stand alone invert function that doesn't reverse all of the other tools seems pretty basic, no?

CH Capture One's target market is not "consumers" interested in converting their negatives.
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Re: Return the color inversion function with the Levels tool

Postby SFA » Sun Nov 25, 2018 1:14 pm

cdc wrote:
SFA wrote:Also I'm not entirely sure that Phase should be much concerned with the facilities they offer for a digital RAW file converter also being complete for the requirements of scanned negative processing - at least not in terms of a consumer levell product although, of course, it is nice to have some facility included.

That said the Cultural Heritage version of Capture One probably benefits in its target market from offering some of the more specific features the help users working with older technologies and documents and presumably scanning and converting negatives to positives would be part of that.


I disagree and I'd guess that you don't work with film so you're not much concerned with it? Capture One is nearly an ideal platform for converting film negatives. Adding a stand alone invert function that doesn't reverse all of the other tools seems pretty basic, no?

CH Capture One's target market is not "consumers" interested in converting their negatives.


I understand what you are saying and I have worked with film scans but not large format film.

The old film images I have are mostly 35mm and 120 size and by the time they are scanned the film grain makes things somewhat unrewarding in most cases. Plus the scanning process can be used to convert negative to positive ...

I fully understand where the market for CH fits compared with the less specialised photography market requirements - which is exactly why I wrote what I did. Bear in mind that Phase set out as a digital back creator and that is still a major focal point of their business. The business objective would be to provide and easier to use alternative to large format film for the most part of the market that would still be using film - which it probably quite small by now whether we like it or not. In terms of number of images produced probably rather a tiny part of the the photographic world especially outside specialist Archival operations - which is where Phase build a strong business case for going digital and the CH enhanced functionality. If you believe I am wrong in that respect and there is a large part of the Professional photography market that likely to continue to work with film to a significant degree then make a case to Phase on that basis. My penultimate paragraph covers that more specifically.

I have no idea whether is is easy or not invert the functionality of the tools but suspect that it might not be quite as easy one might hope to get it working as people would wish. In any case it potentially adds another layer of complexity to be maintained and developed as the product progresses.

If negative scanning was a significant and growing market for Capture One investing in it at the consumer and digital studio level might make sense. If it isn't a significant or growing market at the consumer level then placing it and similar specialist requirements into the CH market or the Industrial market in general seems to be logical. A tool for those most likely to use it provided at a price and with support that is pertinent to its specific requirements and value.

For most people NOT in the CH business but wanting to make a few of their negatives positives without having to work out the oddities of some inverted tools, what would be the main drawback to doing a flat conversion and then creating a positive TIFF file positive with which to use the tools as they are?

If scanning digitally via a camera the option of RAW to DNG would also exist.

The only question would be whether digital camera scanning would be preferred over the more traditional scanning options (for the DNG option) and perhaps whether very high resolution TIFF files might possibly, sometimes, exceed usable file size limits. However I would guess that would incredibly rare and in any event so specialised that it should not be an influence on Capture One development strategy decisions.

That said those are just my opinions. If you want to make a case for enhancing the tools to suit your need just create a Support Case and describe your proposal to Phase. If everyone with such an interest does the same thing it may be that they can identify a need that is significant enough to justify developing a solution. Or at least finding some way to satisfy your requirement that is commercially viable.

Just my thoughts. I fully understand that others may see thing differently.


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