Edit in Capture one, then save to open as a Smart Object

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Edit in Capture one, then save to open as a Smart Object

Postby NNN634353534813473752 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:11 pm

Hey guys, is it possible, to work a Raw file in capture one, save it, and open the edited raw file back into Photoshop as an editable Raw file? (ie smart objects)

I can save from Capture one now as a PSD or DNG however these do not give me raw editing back in PS as the file is flattened.

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Re: Edit in Capture one, then save to open as a Smart Object

Postby SFA » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:42 pm

I think you will find that PS would not understand C1 edits in the same way that a PSD file must be flattened for C1 needs.
The development engines are different - which as I understand things is still true for the suit of software that Adobe provides for its own products.

Even looking to Adobe alternatives such as Affinity the step by step process involves "development" of a RAW file to produce a PSD like proprietary Affinity version of a PSD file. If choose to change the initial 'development' of the RAW file you need to repeat the process (AFAIK).

With C1 everything is based on processing from the original data source file - be that RAW, jpg, tif or whatever is offered. The is no intermediate file like a PSD. However that does make it somewhat more complicated to consider the more "artistic" elements of processing that PS and Affinity offer using pixel manipulation with technology that started out with artistic design and drawing applications.


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Re: Edit in Capture one, then save to open as a Smart Object

Postby cdc » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:36 am

SFA wrote:
The development engines are different - which as I understand things is still true for the suit of software that Adobe provides for its own products.


Because Photoshop and Lightroom both use Adobe Camera Raw, from Lightroom you can "open as smart object in photoshop" and maintain the ability to edit all of the raw settings available in ACR. It still saves the file as a TIFF or PSD but within that file is the smart object which gives access to the original ACR raw adjustments.

Capture One does not have this compatibility with Photoshop, this is one of the advantages of working in the Adobe ecosystem.

That said In theory this feature is great and sometimes very useful, but more often than not it is unnecessary. As soon as you make a layer with local adjustments you'll find that going back and changing the ACR adjustments does not match your local adjustments layer any longer.
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Re: Edit in Capture one, then save to open as a Smart Object

Postby SFA » Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:23 am

cdc wrote:
SFA wrote:
The development engines are different - which as I understand things is still true for the suit of software that Adobe provides for its own products.


Because Photoshop and Lightroom both use Adobe Camera Raw, from Lightroom you can "open as smart object in photoshop" and maintain the ability to edit all of the raw settings available in ACR. It still saves the file as a TIFF or PSD but within that file is the smart object which gives access to the original ACR raw adjustments.

Capture One does not have this compatibility with Photoshop, this is one of the advantages of working in the Adobe ecosystem.

That said In theory this feature is great and sometimes very useful, but more often than not it is unnecessary. As soon as you make a layer with local adjustments you'll find that going back and changing the ACR adjustments does not match your local adjustments layer any longer.


Indeed.

So ACR is acting as a shared "Development" tool (there would be little point in Adobe having 2 separate applications for that) but not interactively working PS during further editing activities.

C1 always works with the source files although that in turn make it more difficult, especially in terms of any computational resource requirement expectations, to think about offering the "graphics" based functionality that PS and Affinity and other applications are based upon.

Different approaches for different ultimate objectives.


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