Smart album based on keyword(s)

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Smart album based on keyword(s)

Postby Ian3 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:38 am

I am confused...

I have a smart album of butterfly images. The criteria on which it is created are

Match all of the following rules:

Search criteria - Keywords contains butterfly.

The Filters tool tells me that I have 469 images in my catalog with the (hierarchical) keywords

Insect > butterfly > [various species]

They all show up in the smart album.

I have created another smart album intended to be of dragonfly images. The filters tool tells me I have 242 of those, again with hierarchical keywords like

Insect > dragonfly > [various dragonfly species]

But if I create a smart album on the same basis as for butterflies, no images show up. If I change the criteria to "Any" contains "dragonfly", 244 images show up. (The extra two turn out to be images that have "dragonfly" as part of the file name but have missed being keyworded.)

But what I can't understand is why one smart album happily works on "Keywords" while the other only works on "Any".

Any ideas?

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Re: Smart album based on keyword(s)

Postby OddS » Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:59 pm

Hi Ian,

Just an observation from a Win10-platform.

I created a test catalog and imported a handful images. No insects, just buildings, boats and seagulls at the local seaside, nonetheless I put hierarchical keywords insect>butterfly on about half of the images and insect>dragonfly on the remaining. Filter works as you explained, but none of two smart albums (Butterflies and Dragonflies) show any images if I use the hierarchical notation (insect>butterfly and insect>dragonfly) in the smart album search criteria.

Setting the smart album Butterflies search criteria to just butterfly works as expected. Same for dragonfly.
Setting Match=All and two separate keywords (insect and butterfly) in the search criteria works for the Butterflies smart album. Match=All and providing two separate keywords (insect and dragonfly) works for the Dragonflies smart album.

I know a "works for me" comment like this is not much help. Further, I don't use C1 in catalog mode and I don't maintain metadata in C1, so don't trust me in this matter.
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Re: Smart album based on keyword(s)

Postby Ian3 » Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:26 pm

Thanks. I'll try the approach with two separate keywords Insect and dragonfly. (NB: in neither case was I trying to search on Insect>dragonfly or Insect>butterfly. Just butterfly by itself which works and dragonfly by itself which doesn't.)

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Re: Smart album based on keyword(s)

Postby Ian3 » Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:06 pm

I have solved this, though the solution doesn't make much sense.

If I change "contains" to one of the other options such as "equals" or "does not contain" and then change it back again to "contains" then the dragonfly images get picked up perfectly well!

I have even managed to do what I really wanted which was to create an album of dragonflies and damselflies, by having any of the criteria Keywords contains dragonfly or Keywords contains damselfly. But again, to get the damselflies included, I had to change from contains to something else and then back to contains to get it to pick up the damselflies.

So now I am happy but confused!

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Re: Smart album based on keyword(s)

Postby OddS » Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:34 pm

Ian3 wrote:...If I change "contains" to one of the other options such as "equals" or "does not contain" and then change it back again to "contains" then the dragonfly images get picked up perfectly well!


Sounds like a bug to me, I think you should report it.
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Re: Smart album based on keyword(s)

Postby SFA » Fri Jul 05, 2019 1:26 pm

Ian,

I think this is something to do with cleaning the cache after a search.

In effect, I THINK, some of the search activity can be retained as a the base selection from which further searches/filters are then applied.

Completely closing one filter (and making sure it is closed by re-reading an unfiltered folder or album or something, seems to work. (At least on Windows 7 it does.)

Some of this SQL stuff can become seriously confusing and that comment is not just about C1.

Bear in mind that a search can be using active filters, over all "And/Or" selections for the searches/filters with multiple selection criteria and multiple multiple selection criteria grouped with either AND or OR

Plus whatever existing Image selection one may have made that represents its own kind of 'filter'.

I have had similar experiences to yours and as yet could not document exactly how to deal with them in all situations but can usually end up with what I am looking to achieve and expect. When I don't I think it's down to user error in some way but sometimes I think its some sort of foible in the way the search works through its caching process.


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Re: Smart album based on keyword(s)

Postby Ian3 » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:22 pm

Thanks.

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