Scanning for medias VERY SLOW using NAS Drive

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Scanning for medias VERY SLOW using NAS Drive

Postby NN635501044536445372UL » Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:32 am

Hello

I have just updated to the new Media Pro SE 2.3 and was not able to scan medias from my QNAP TS-453B NAS drive at a reasonable speed. I´m using an Imac and I have used different protocols, SMB, AFP, etc but nothing seems to work.

I used to have all my graphic collection in a local HD and scanning was extremely fast. Now that I have moved all my graphic library to my NAS drive it takes FOREVER to scan medias.

Is there any way to speed this up? I can´t possible deal with this!

Any suggestion would be greatly appreciate it!
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Re: Scanning for medias VERY SLOW using NAS Drive

Postby Ian3 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:27 am

I wonder whether the slow scan is a one-off thing? Once MP has found all the files and added them to its catalog, would all be well? In that case the slowness could be pain worth enduring while it sets itself up.

Also, what about previews? I have some images on my local HDD but older ones on an external USB-connected archive HDD. I found that MP was a bit slow to render the preview of images on the external drive, so I changed the settings about previews. Under Edit>Thumbnails and Previews I have set a thumbnail size of 640* pixels and a preview size of 1920 pixels. Also I have checked the boxes for "Create full screen previews" and "Display previews at all times". My understanding (I hope I am right) is that this means that MP will display its own internally generated previews instead of having to refer to the external drive to render a preview for me to see. It does make the catalog bigger though. I certainly find that when I double click a thumbnail to view the image full screen, it comes up instantly with no lag while I wait for it to render.

Ian

* 640 for the thumbnails may be larger than I need, but I can increase the thumbnail zoom quite a long way and still see good quality thumbnails.
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Re: Scanning for medias VERY SLOW using NAS Drive

Postby WPNL » Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:58 am

What kind of connection are you using?
Sounds like you're on 100Mbit or a slooooooooooooooooow USB...
There are many factors in play, even the type of cable used can be the cause ;-)
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Re: Scanning for medias VERY SLOW using NAS Drive

Postby NN635501044536445372UL » Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:59 am

The connection should be fine. I have connected my NAS drive from the its gigabit ethernet port to the router with the proper cable. The file transfer from the NAS drive to my Imac is just fine through the SMB protocol, speeds are within normal values. I think the bottleneck is almost for sure Media Pro.

Any ideas?
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Re: Scanning for medias VERY SLOW using NAS Drive

Postby NN635501044536445372UL » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:51 pm

What a ripoff!

I just got a message from one of the administrators saying that connecting Media Pro SE to a NAS is not a good idea! WTF??

I mean, what´s the NAS for if you can´t use it like that? I think the main problem is that PhaseOne don´t want to invest time, energy and money into a better implementation of their program that will eventually support connectivity to the network.

Isn´t it a shame that nowadays most companies are so full of baloney with all kind of excuses? Instead of saying, you´re right sir, we should come up with a better version of our program. Instead it is always the user that is not able to take full advantage of their product!

I have seen this pattern too many times before and I don´t like it at all!
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Re: Scanning for medias VERY SLOW using NAS Drive

Postby WPNL » Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:07 pm

A network storage device is something completely different than an internal hard disk.

You are aware that it takes much more effort to move a lot of small files than a few big files?

It's probably a combination of some factors.
Is the router gigabit, what are the transfer speeds?

Is it possible to have the library (cache) local and the files stored on the NAS, that could mean less delay?

You might also reconsider this: maybe the NAS is a ripoff, have you contacted qnap too? And what was their response? :-)
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Re: Scanning for medias VERY SLOW using NAS Drive

Postby NN635501044536445372UL » Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:30 pm

See?

This is exactly what I meant. Everybody is bouncing the ball to the other party! Look, I have seen Digital Asset Management software working beautifully over the network. For example even Extensis Portfolio does a much better job on the network than Media Pro SE.

My ethernet connection of course is gigabit but that is not the point. The point is that this software has to be updated to work on the network, end of the story and end of the excuses! Period!

Thanks!
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Re: Scanning for medias VERY SLOW using NAS Drive

Postby WPNL » Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:50 pm

NN635501044536445372UL wrote:Any ideas?


Yes, one more: you're comparing $2.000 software with $ 200 software = WTF

You're welcome :-)
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Re: Scanning for medias VERY SLOW using NAS Drive

Postby NN635501044536445372UL » Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:11 pm

Do you want to be a smart ass or just contribute to this forum with some valuable info?

So far you have been just bla bla bla bla, sorry we don´t need that

Working over a network environment does not require a huge effort I can assure you that, I have seen software a lot cheaper than that working just fine on the network.

So if you have something meaningful to say, say it, otherwise please go play in the corner ok?

Thanks pal!
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Re: Scanning for medias VERY SLOW using NAS Drive

Postby budjames » Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:31 am

I have an iMac Pro with an external 16TB Thunderbolt 2 RAID0 drive as storage for my images. I use catalogs with reference images in a standard nested folder structure on the external drive. C1P catalogs reside on my super fast internal 2TB SSD. Read/Write speeds to the Thunderbolt drive are in the 600 to 700 mb/sec range. This system works very good with my 7TB+ of images (approx 170k images, mostly RAF from various cameras).

Since the iMac Pro has a built-in 10GB ethernet card, I had Cat 6E cables run to a 10GB switch to connect my Synology 8-bay NAS. The ethernet read/write speeds to the NAS range from 250 to 350 mb/sec.

I use Synology Drive app installed on my iMac Pro to real time back up my Thunderbolt drive to the Synology NAS. The Synology then backs up real time to a Synology located offsite at my office, about 11 miles away. This set up works very well and provided real time back ups automatically.

Given the above set up and related expenses to buy all of the hardware, the NAS is still too slow to use as a working drive for my images. The Thunderbolt external drive is awesome and relatively cheap. As the price of 4TB SSD comes into a reasonable range, I plan to replace the spinning rust drives in the Thunderbolt enclosure with SSDs. This should up the read/write speeds to 1,200 to 1,500 mb/sec. Now we're talking!

Regards,
Bud James

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