Sharing Styles and Presets eg 'Film Simulations'

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Sharing Styles and Presets eg 'Film Simulations'

Postby Neil421 » Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:39 pm

There is very little discussion on this forum about technique. I think this is a shame. Maybe most users are professionals who like to keep there workings private. Maybe users have already developed their own 'styles' and are happy with them. Maybe people create their own styles from scratch for every picture or set of pictures. Maybe you are all primarily photographers and using a computer comes a distant second.... Maybe it's not worth sharing styles as they are not a one click fix but just a starting point.. . . . Maybe a combination of all of these (and other?) things.

Anyway to cut a long story short I've spent some time over the Christmas break 'computationally' converting some 'Simulated Film Curves' from the open source GIMP editor and produced some Capture One .copreset files that can be used in Capture one (well at least 6.3.2 Pro as that is what I have and some of the .copreset have RGB curve settings which I don't think you can edit on the non-pro version). I can't comment on the absolute tonal accuracy (maybe you can?) but there are some very clever GIMP users out there I've just converted the files as a bit of mental challenge and improve my understanding.

I had to do a bit of work working out the format of the .copreset XML files, but that was easy as it's just XML text and values. I then created a number of scripts to manipulate the GIMP file format and write out Capture One compatible files. It wasn't elegant, but it only had to be done once :D

If anyone would like a copy of these files please just PM me.

If anyone has presets or techniques they'd like to share then get in touch. I'm most interested in trying to simulate the look of B&W prints from the 1940's, 50's and 60's.


Anyways these are the files I have: (They work on a PC, I think they should work on a Mac too, but I don't have one of those :lol: )

Comments, ideas and feedback welcome.

Black and White films

Agfa 200X.copreset
Agfapan 100.copreset
Agfapan 25.copreset
Agfapan 400.copreset
Generic BW.copreset
High Contrast.copreset
Ilford Delta 100.copreset
Ilford Delta 400 Pro & 3200.copreset
Ilford Delta 400.copreset
Ilford FP4.copreset
Ilford HP5.copreset
Ilford Pan F.copreset
Ilford SFX.copreset
Ilford XP2 Super.copreset
Kodak Tmax 100.copreset
Kodak Tmax 400.copreset
Kodak Tri-X.copreset
Normal Contrast.copreset

Colour
agfa-optima-400.copreset
agfa-RSX-II-100.copreset
agfa-ultra-100.copreset
agfachrome-1000RS.copreset
Bleach Bypass.copreset
ektachrome-100G.copreset
ektachrome-100GX.copreset
ektachrome-100VS.copreset
ektachrome-400X.copreset
ektachrome-64-pro.copreset
ektachrome-E100G.copreset
ektachrome-EES.copreset
elite-chrome-100.copreset
elite-chrome-200.copreset
Fuji Velvia 100F.copreset
Fuji Velvia 50.copreset
fuji-astia-100F.copreset
fuji-fp-100C.copreset
fuji-pro-160C.copreset
fuji-pro-160S.copreset
fuji-pro-400H.copreset
fuji-pro-800Z.copreset
fuji-provia-100F.copreset
fuji-provia-400F.copreset
fuji-provia-400X.copreset
fuji-reala.copreset
fuji-superia-100.copreset
fuji-superia-200.copreset
fuji-superia-400.copreset
fuji-velvia-100.copreset
fuji-velvia-100F.copreset
fuji-velvia-50.copreset
fujichrome-sensia-100.copreset
fujichrome-sensia-200.copreset
GAF 500.copreset
Kodachrome 1936-1962.copreset
Kodachrome 64.copreset
Kodachrome Faded.copreset
Kodachrome II Cyan Shift.copreset
kodachrome-1936-1962.copreset
kodachrome-200.copreset
kodachrome-25.copreset
kodachrome-64-alternative.copreset
kodachrome-64.copreset
kodachrome-elsamuko.copreset
kodachrome-II-1962-1974.copreset
Kodak Ektachrome 1970s.copreset
Kodak Portra.copreset
kodak-400-NC.copreset
kodak-E100-GX-ektachrome-100.copreset
kodak-elite-chrome-200.copreset
kodak-elite-chrome-400.copreset
kodak-elite-color-200.copreset
kodak-elite-color-400.copreset
kodak-elite-extracolor-100.copreset
kodak-gold-100.copreset
kodak-gold-200.copreset
kodak-portra-160NC.copreset
kodak-portra-160VC.copreset
kodak-portra-400NC.copreset
kodak-portra-400VC.copreset
kodak-ultracolor-100UC.copreset
kodak-ultracolor-400UC.copreset
lomography-resdcale-100.copreset
lomography-Xpro-slide-200.copreset
polachrome.copreset
Polaroid 600 Faded.copreset
Polaroid 669 Cyan.copreset
Polaroid Time Zero.copreset
polaroid-600-faded.copreset
polaroid-690.copreset
Technicolor 2-strip.copreset
Technicolor Faded.copreset
Technicolor Vibrant.copreset
technicolor-process-2.copreset
technicolor-process-4.copreset
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Re: Sharing Styles and Presets eg 'Film Simulations'

Postby Jim MSP » Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:07 pm

Neil421 wrote:There is very little discussion on this forum about technique. I think this is a shame. Maybe most users are professionals who like to keep there workings private. Maybe users have already developed their own 'styles' and are happy with them. Maybe people create their own styles from scratch for every picture or set of pictures. Maybe you are all primarily photographers and using a computer comes a distant second.... Maybe it's not worth sharing styles as they are not a one click fix but just a starting point.. . . . Maybe a combination of all of these (and other?) things.

Anyway to cut a long story short I've spent some time over the Christmas break 'computationally' converting some 'Simulated Film Curves' from the open source GIMP editor and produced some Capture One .copreset files that can be used in Capture one (well at least 6.3.2 Pro as that is what I have and some of the .copreset have RGB curve settings which I don't think you can edit on the non-pro version). I can't comment on the absolute tonal accuracy (maybe you can?) but there are some very clever GIMP users out there I've just converted the files as a bit of mental challenge and improve my understanding.
........


I know what you mean on lack of discussion. I am not a pro, closer to some version of an advanced amateur. I shoot a Canon 60D, mostly nature and grand kids. I don't use styles at all - but maybe I should.

I tend to use CO for about 90% of my raw conversion, Lightroom for the others. I use LR for my very high ISO shots, as I find that its noise reduction is better than CO for noisy images. I use PS Elements for pixel editing, such cloning out objects, layers for blending, etc. I also use the Topaz plugins for advanced noise reduction, sharpening and extraction.
If I intend to print a high iso shot, I'll take it through CO, then to PSE for final cleanup with Topaz.
I have tried starting a few discussions on workflow here, but they have led no where.
Most of the pro users probably don't shoot a lot of high iso photos, so your problems are different from mine.

I'll be interested to see if you preset styles generate any discussion.
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Re: Sharing Styles and Presets eg 'Film Simulations'

Postby Neil421 » Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:22 am

I wonder then if most users just use CO for the raw conversion step through to PhotoShop/(LightRoom?) for all the subsequent work. Anyone care to comment?

Clearly PhotoShop is far more capable at image manipulation but I'm not into that amount 'manipulation' for my photos.

I'm happy with what I can do with CO Pro, I take pictures for fun, I don't have the money nor the time to start to use a combination of packages for my images. To be honest level and curve adjustments make the changes I want to make in the pictures I take, I'm not into 'fashion magazine' levels of manipulation. I've stuck my stick in the sand and gone with CO (for good or for bad) and am mostly happy with it. I like its elegant simplicity. I can see an awful lot of people that aren't happy and I can understand why, it needs a massive amount of memory nowadays, Open CL can be hit and miss with your hardware, it can crash a lot and fortunately my camera *is* supported in the current version. (I got lucky with memory, CPU and Open CL video card!)

I have a feeling that a new version will be out soon. CO 6 has just been heavily discounted, there was a customer survey the same thing happened about a year ago when CO6 came out (at least I think it was 6, that's when I went to CO 6 Pro). When there is a new version, only the new version of the software will support new cameras so people will have to upgrade or move on; the trouble is that it takes about 6 months for a new version to become stable so we (the users) take one step forward and 3 steps back. I'd love a stable, reliable, consistent product with updates that just works, but that doesn't generate enough income for the software authors so we're into the standard software new features = new version = upgrade cost software development cycle. This wouldn't be a problem if the new version worked as well as the old version when it came out.... this can be the case, but sometimes isn't :?

PO have an odd position in the market, clearly they have a product aimed at their professional backs, but now it's been extended to cover lots of 'amateur' cameras there's a lot of work to do keep supporting these cameras and their users. Widening the scope of your product brings in more users and sells more product but I feel the PO is still primarily a product aimed at professionals with varying amounts of support for less 'professional' cameras. I doubt it'll ever become a 'universal' raw converter so it will always be targeted at a subset of cameras, not a problem if your camera (and your next one and the one after that) sits comfortably within the set of cameras that are supported.

I seem to have rambled on bit and drifted off topic, sorry. I'm (we're?) supposed to be talking about technique and presets :)

Let's see we get any discussion on that subject...

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Re: Sharing Styles and Presets eg 'Film Simulations'

Postby Goran4 » Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:06 pm

First, how do I PM you? In your profile, there is nothing under your Contact heading.

Thoughts on the subject.
More and more I have changed to specialist programs instead of PS, mostly becuse there is no seamless integration between the CO nondestructive editing and PS nondestructive editing (nor between LR and PS), you still have to create an intermediate file and break the flow in two or more parts so why use an expensive jack-of-all-trades when you can get the same or better by collecting programs that only does what you want?
For me, this means that I loose some very good plugins that I was accustomed to, like PixelGenius PhotoKit base and sharpening and the SilverOxide B&W filters.
The thing you have done, converting the GIMP film curves to CO, has been on my mind for some time but, as usual, time is a commodity in short supply. So when I saw what you ave done, I just felt "YES!". With this, the only larger grief I have with CO is for functionality like the PG Sharpening Kit, i.e. to add sharpening on a layer (yes, you can almost. You can add more of the same thing but not change threshold or radius.) but not even this is something I feel is absolutely necessary, as clarity handles most of the creative part and I use Qimage for printing.

For presets, I have started to experiment with them to formalize project setups, the things that are common and not applied thorough the ingester metadata support but it's a very limited use.

/glz
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Re: Sharing Styles and Presets eg 'Film Simulations'

Postby Paul_Steunebrink » Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:09 pm

Goran4 wrote:First, how do I PM you?

As far as I know, PM is disabled on this forum.
Best regards,
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Re: Sharing Styles and Presets eg 'Film Simulations'

Postby Neil421 » Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:04 pm

Paul_E wrote:
Goran4 wrote:First, how do I PM you?

As far as I know, PM is disabled on this forum.


Hmm, should have checked that first :D
I've put my email address under occupation in my profile. There are 'messaging' addresses for things like messenger and ICQ, but not for email... A bit odd that.

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Re: Sharing Styles and Presets eg 'Film Simulations'

Postby JonS » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:43 pm

Hi Neil,
How about just putting the presets in a zip file on a public folder in something like dropbox or livemesh and then sharing the link?
I think it would be easier than people PMing you one by one.
Thanks for your post and initiative.
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Re: Sharing Styles and Presets eg 'Film Simulations'

Postby Neil421 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:07 am

JonS wrote:Hi Neil,
How about just putting the presets in a zip file on a public folder in something like dropbox or livemesh and then sharing the link?


I could drop the zip file on a anonymous sharing site, but I prefer the 'personal touch'. It's not really much work for me to email it out and I get thank yous like this:

"I have been playing around with these and I must say I am in love they are awesome!!!!! Thank you so much for sharing these with me, there are not very people that do as you have here. "

Call me old fashioned, but this is far better than leaving them for anonymous download and having no idea what people think of them.

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Re: Sharing Styles and Presets eg 'Film Simulations'

Postby James230 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:33 am

Very generous offer..I'd like a copy if you don't mind. I'll be sending you an email shortly since I can't figure out how to PM on this.
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Re: Sharing Styles and Presets eg 'Film Simulations'

Postby NNN634670828144279651 » Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:49 am

hi Neil

I tried to contact you but I don't know how to PM you.

N.Jowsey@leeds.ac.uk : I am not sure this is your e-mail address
( I send you a picture and want to enjoy it.
anyway I like your old-fashioned way : Personal touch)

so if you check this reply, can you share your copreset?

gbro.doo@gmail.com : it is my e-mail address.
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Re: Sharing Styles and Presets eg 'Film Simulations'

Postby NN132823UL » Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:34 pm

Hi Neil!

I would like to have the presets too... :D

Will contact you via email.

CU

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Re: Sharing Styles and Presets eg 'Film Simulations'

Postby zed_pmd » Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:33 am

Hi Neil,

I also sent email to you. Very useful styles pack...

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Re: Sharing Styles and Presets eg 'Film Simulations'

Postby NNN634774256671555700 » Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:37 am

love film style. My I can get it? Thks so much.
My email: hansam1009 at gmail.com
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Re: Sharing Styles and Presets eg 'Film Simulations'

Postby xuman » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:17 am

Neil, thank you very much.

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Re: Sharing Styles and Presets eg 'Film Simulations'

Postby rave81 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:45 pm

Neil can you please send it to my email info@michaelagarphoto.com

Thanks in advance.
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