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Re: Lion

Postby Paul_Steunebrink » Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:08 pm

Edward2 wrote:Many thanks Paul, think I'll be sticking with SL as it all works fine and can't really see a need to upgrade, yet.

New information from X-Rite came out today. It seems more users are unhappy to trash their i1Display 2 monitor calibrator due to the fact that old software (i1 Match) does not run on OS X Lion and their new software (i1 Profiler) does not support the calibrator (but a new product instead).

In coming September X-Rite will release an i1 Profiler Mac monitor update that will support the i1 Display 2. For details see:
http://www.xritephoto.com/custom_page.aspx?PageID=264

So there is a future for i1 Display 2 owners on Lion.
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Re: Lion

Postby Paul_Steunebrink » Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:49 pm

FYI: CO 6.2.2 - released today - mentions in the release notes "Improves Mac OS 10.7 compatibility".
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Re: Lion

Postby Nicolas » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:13 pm

Thanks Paul!

FYI 2
Basiccolor is intel based (should run under Lion, no?) (http://www.basiccolor.de/english/Datenblaetter_E/display_E/display_E.htm)
It costs 100 €… but I think there's a tryout free for one month.
I've been using it for 2 years to calibrate my Nec Spectraview 3090 with an i1 Display2 and I'm quite happy with it…

PS FYI 3 I have no commercial interest with Basiccolor :)
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Re: Lion

Postby Edward51 » Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:58 pm

if you're using an NEC multisync or Eizo monitor, you should be using Spectraview(NEC) or ColorNavigator(Eizo) anyway. I haven't heard their compatibility plans but I doubt they would leave customers behind.
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Re: Lion

Postby Paul_Steunebrink » Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:11 pm

@Nicholas: basICColor sure is a good alternative for X-Rite's software where the i1 Display 2 is concerned. Their display calibration software is Universal Binary, so it will almost certainly run on Lion. However, with regard to display calibration software in general I am always careful as history showed that an update was more often than not necessary to adapt to the new OS X release.

@Edward51: like i1 Match in the past did, does basICColor Display calibration software today in that it provides hardware calibration support for a number of high-end monitors. Not sure about NEC, but sure about Eizo CG series. Many photographers use such a monitor connected to their MacBook Pro. Software like basICColor Display can be used to calibrate both displays, which is a plus for users, without neglecting hardware calibration of the external display.
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Re: Lion

Postby David5 » Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:32 am

Paul_E wrote:
Edward2 wrote:Does that mean I can download i1Profiler and use it with my eyeone display2 calibrator, or do I need new hardware as well?

Update on the issue.

Xrite told me they will be updating the software for the old eyeone dislplay 2, it will be offered for a nominal fee, you can contact them and they will notify you when it is available.
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Re: Lion

Postby Paul_Steunebrink » Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:58 am

David5 wrote:
Paul_E wrote:
Edward2 wrote:Does that mean I can download i1Profiler and use it with my eyeone display2 calibrator, or do I need new hardware as well?

Update on the issue.

Xrite told me they will be updating the software for the old eyeone dislplay 2, it will be offered for a nominal fee, you can contact them and they will notify you when it is available.

Thanks for the confirmation David5. More details in my earlier post with a link to X-Rite website.
viewtopic.php?p=49063#p49063

While on it, OS X Lion is expected to be released through the App Store later today.
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Re: Lion

Postby Nicolas » Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:18 am

Edward51 wrote:if you're using an NEC multisync or Eizo monitor, you should be using Spectraview(NEC) or ColorNavigator(Eizo) anyway. I haven't heard their compatibility plans but I doubt they would leave customers behind.

Hi Edward
BasiCColor is the European version of SpectraView Profiler, Basicolor is also a German distibutor for Nec monitors (afaik)…
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Re: Lion

Postby Edward2 » Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:08 pm

Paul_E wrote:
Edward2 wrote:Many thanks Paul, think I'll be sticking with SL as it all works fine and can't really see a need to upgrade, yet.

New information from X-Rite came out today. It seems more users are unhappy to trash their i1Display 2 monitor calibrator due to the fact that old software (i1 Match) does not run on OS X Lion and their new software (i1 Profiler) does not support the calibrator (but a new product instead).

In coming September X-Rite will release an i1 Profiler Mac monitor update that will support the i1 Display 2. For details see:
http://www.xritephoto.com/custom_page.aspx?PageID=264

So there is a future for i1 Display 2 owners on Lion.


Wow, a company who doesn't want to extract more money out of me, good news.

So does C1 work OK? Anyone dared to try yet?
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Re: Lion

Postby Paul_Steunebrink » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:34 pm

First impressions with Capture One Pro 6.2.2 on OS X Lion (10.7.0)

Brief summary
After a brief exercise I conclude CO Pro 6 runs fine on Lion. I did not encounter any errors or malfunction so far. In fact, I felt it ran more smooth on my fairly aged hardware. Note it was only a brief experiences, a first impression.

My setup
I connected a Firewire 800 external drive to my MacBook Pro (end 2006 model, Core2Duo, 3 GB RAM=max). After installation of Lion (a smooth experience in itself) I installed CO 6 and ran Pro in trial mode.

What I did
Import from CF card /w firewire card reader; create new session; switch sessions; auto adjust of selection of images; copy-apply adjustments including keystone, spot/dust and adj.layers; local copy-apply adjustments; processing 1 or 2 recipes at a time; tethering to Canon 5D mkII with camera control and Capture Pilot with OS X firewall on

What's next
I will add more software to the mix, because we photographers use more than Capture One, don't we? To be continued.
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Lion on hardware

Postby Paul_Steunebrink » Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:18 am

Let's go over some more notes on Lion regarding hardware

Straight from the heart
As you probably know, an operating system like OS X is the heart of your machine. Hardware, network, add-ons and peripherals, applications, data and how they interact: it is all handled by the operating system. As a result upgrading OS X has potentially a broad impact.
As I mentioned earlier I do some testing for my own setup (and fun and curiosity) and share it here. I hope you get some ideas for your setup on what to look out for.

Hardware
When reviewing a new operating system, I first look how it responds to the hardware (or vice versa). In the case of Apple, potential issues with the new version come from add-ons and not from the computer hardware in general. For me as photographer important hardware add-ons are: camera (tethering, live view), printer, display (calibration), network (in particular mobile broadband devices), scanner, tablet (like Wacom) or other input devices, and CD/DVD burning. Make your own list of devices. Next, visit websites for announcements. A quick review for my setup and than some more…

Camera
I use a Canon and succeeded in tethering with Capture One Pro 6.2.2. I tried EOS Utility for Live View but Canon software is blocked for any OS X after Snow Leopard.
Image
Canon seems to be reviewing their software suite and I am waiting for an announcement.
A Nikon statement about Lion compatibility can be found here:
http://support.nikonusa.com/app/answers ... a_id/17449
No statement from either Phase One or Leaf that I am aware of at this time of writing.

Printer
Two pieces of information are important to me here: version of the printer driver and ColorSync. Lion installed a driver for my Epson R2880 printer like Snow Leopard (SL): through Software Update. In fact, it is the same driver version. ColorSync upgraded from 4.6.2 in SL to 4.7.0; so a small change. A test print showed very minor differences in favor of Lion (start to love this cat, could be a Lioness under the hood I guess). I made custom printer profiles under SL and do not see a direct necessity to re-profile under Lion but may do so in the long run.

Display calibration
I use X-Rite i1Profiler for my MBP screen and Eizo ColorNavigator for the Eizo ColorEdge display, both with an Eye-One Pro. Both installed without problems and gave very satisfactory results, hardly indistinguishable from the SL profiles. No announcement seen from Eizo but X-Rite has an overview page on Lion-compatibility at
http://www.xritephoto.com/custom_page.aspx?PageID=264
Check your display manufacturer or calibration software manufacturer for announcements.

Mobile broadband
As in previous upgrades (Tiger, Leopard, Snow Leopard) Lion breaks the software: installation crashed. I called my provider (Vodafone, known brand in Europe) and they did not seem aware of Lion's existence yet. Conversation felt like a wake-up call. This is gonna takes some time I am afraid. I was considering a MiFi device already, which can mitigate the issue (a MiFi device is a WiFi-to-3G broadband pocket sized, battery operating device).

Scanner
Still have to hook-up my Epson V750 Pro scanner and SilverFast v6.x software. LaserSoft has announced SilverFast 8 but no Lion announcement in general. So I suspect an upgrade to Lion means an upgrade to v8 as well. Another one for the checklist.

Tablet and other input devices
Pretty straightforward here: my Wacom Intuos 3 and current driver (6.1.6-4) installed and now runs without problems. No announcement seen from Wacom yet.

CD/DVD burning [Updated]
I am not with the latest version currently (Toast 10). A CD-RW and DVD+RW were erased and burned successful. The DiscCatalogmaker had to be force quitted. I'll wait what Roxio will announce.

To be continued with more notes on applications and network (within spare time constraints obviously :wink: ). In the mean time, enjoy your Snow Leopard system!
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Re: Lion

Postby Ralph » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:58 pm

Paul,
Thanks for testing the waters and sharing your experience. I've not encountered problems in general with CO 6.2.2 in Lion as well. 10.7 budgets system resources on the fly in very interesting ways (according to the Ars Technica review), and I suspect that this will prove useful for those using MBPs.

Nicolas,
I appreciate the profiling software suggestion.
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Re: Lion

Postby Paul_Steunebrink » Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:17 pm

Ralph wrote:Paul,
Thanks for testing the waters and sharing your experience. I've not encountered problems in general with CO 6.2.2 in Lion as well.

Thanks Ralph, that is good to hear. I have similar experiences so far. Actually much better experience than with previous versions of OS X.
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Re: Lion

Postby Paul_Steunebrink » Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:21 pm

Let's talk about some applications on Lion.

When the Lion roars…
When an application is said to work on Lion, it does not yet mean it supports Lion's new features like Autosave, Restore (a.k.a. Resume), Versioning, Full Screen Mode and additional multi-touch gestures. This requires additional codes to be written in the program, which may or may not be included in an update. I like to go briefly over some products I use or am familiar with.

Adobe
Talking Adobe, see for Lion issues with Adobe products the Adobe page
http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/905/cpsid_90508.html
and for Photoshop in particular
http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/907/cpsid_90706.html
PS CS3, 4 and 5 have issues with Droplets. With this only applies when you created the droplets with v12.0.0 due to remaining PowerPC code. With later updates of CS5 droplets are fine. You can repair faulty droplets that by recreating it.

Photo Mechanic
Camera Bits' Photo Mechanic 4.6.7 installed and activated without problems. Camera Bits has a thread on its forum running regarding Photo Mechanic 4.6.x on Lion:
http://forums.camerabits.com/index.php?topic=6438.0

Leaf Capture
With LC 11.5.1 I opened, adjusted and processed images from about 20 different backs without problems. There are no known issues according to my Leaf contact person.

X-Rite i1Profiler
Works fine for display profiling as described earlier. X-Rite has an overview page on Lion-compatibility at http://www.xritephoto.com/custom_page.aspx?PageID=264 and i1Profiler is regarded Lion-proof.

Canon
Unlike EOS Utility Canon DPP 3.10.1 works fine on Lion, as is my first impression.

MS Office and Apple iWork [Updated]
You might be using one of these too.
Microsoft is looking into both Office 2008 and 2011. In general its fine but some issues are to be worked out, version 2011 first and foremost, but 2008 as well (major issues only). More at:
http://blog.officeformac.com/office-for ... 10-7-lion/
There is a link in the blog for more details. And there is a new blog as of 27 July 2011:
http://blog.officeformac.com/more-news- ... 10-7-lion/

For Apple iWork 09 an update (update 6, a.k.a. v9.1) was released just after Lion for compatibility and Lion features like full screen. But that did not surprise you, or?

Disk Tools
With a new operating system always be careful with disk tools. I use two products, Drive Genius and TechTools Pro. Check with the manufacturer of your product.
Prosoft – Drive Genius 3.1.1 says its quite happy with Lion
http://www.prosofteng.com/products/driv ... sysreq.php

Micromat – TechTools Pro 6.0.2 warns you for unpredictable results warning, with an update pending
http://www.micromat.com/techtool-pro-6- ... -with-lion


This could go on and on, but you get the drill. At least check your list of applications for issues, their severity and how important it is to you. In a few months it all will be sorted out but you might not need to wait that long when there is no show-stopper.
You might notice Phase One Media Pro is missing in the list. I have too little experience with the program to evaluate it properly and no statement from Phase One is known to me currently.


To be continued as I expect to look into some Lion features in general and potential networking issues.
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Re: Lion

Postby Ralph » Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:59 am

Disk Warrior 4.3 works without a hitch as well.


[quote="Paul_E"]Let's talk about some applications on Lion.
Disk Tools
With a new operating system always be careful with disk tools. I use two products, Drive Genius and TechTools Pro. Check with the manufacturer of your product.
Prosoft – Drive Genius 3.1.1 says its quite happy with Lion
http://www.prosofteng.com/products/driv ... sysreq.php

Micromat – TechTools Pro 6.0.2 warns you for unpredictable results warning, with an update pending
http://www.micromat.com/techtool-pro-6- ... -with-lion"
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