C1 8.0.0 (and 8.0.1) exports crushing shadows

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C1 8.0.0 (and 8.0.1) exports crushing shadows

Postby wparsons » Thu Oct 09, 2014 1:12 am

Hi folks,

I'm running into a serious problem with C1 8 crushing shadows. I hadn't noticed it until working on the photo in the screenshots below, because there are a lot of dark tones where clean gradation is important. When I exported the image and opened it in Photoshop CC (both plain CC and CC 2014) and saw that the shadows were completely crushed.

Here's what I see in C1:
http://i.imgur.com/RY6vqau.jpg

And here's what I get in PS (and Chrome, Windows Picture Viewer, etc.):
http://i.imgur.com/wATIyCs.jpg

After spotting this, I checked a few other images, paying close attention to the shadows. Sure enough, the shadows blocked up noticeably when viewed in applications other than C1.

My display is recently calibrated, and I do not have this issue when exporting from Lightroom.

I'd really appreciate any help you folks can offer.

Thanks.
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Re: C1 8.0.0 (and 8.0.1) exports crushing shadows

Postby NNN635018233259472077 » Thu Oct 09, 2014 3:49 am

Try saving them as TIFF and see if that helps. Also, what quality level are you saving the JPG's? Have you tried the shadow tool in the HDR section. It does a great job.

Hope that helps.

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Re: C1 8.0.0 (and 8.0.1) exports crushing shadows

Postby Keith Reeder » Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:14 am

I can see more detail in the shadows in the first link than in the second - if anything I'd describe the latter image as having "crushed" shadows.
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Re: C1 8.0.0 (and 8.0.1) exports crushing shadows

Postby Ian3 » Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:09 am

Keith Reeder wrote:I can see more detail in the shadows in the first link than in the second - if anything I'd describe the latter image as having "crushed" shadows.

I think that's what he's saying, Keith. It looks great in C1, but not so great once the jpg created by C1 is viewed in PS.

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Re: C1 8.0.0 (and 8.0.1) exports crushing shadows

Postby Christian Gruner » Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:36 am

Is the rendering intent set to the same in both application ?
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Re: C1 8.0.0 (and 8.0.1) exports crushing shadows

Postby Keith Reeder » Thu Oct 09, 2014 12:33 pm

Ah yes, Ian - the danger of "contributing" at 6 in the morning while dashing off to work!
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Re: C1 8.0.0 (and 8.0.1) exports crushing shadows

Postby wparsons » Thu Oct 09, 2014 12:46 pm

NNN635018233259472077 wrote:Try saving them as TIFF and see if that helps. Also, what quality level are you saving the JPG's? Have you tried the shadow tool in the HDR section. It does a great job.


The PS screenshot is showing a TIFF. The export format has no impact on this issue, however. I've tried exporting in several formats, all with the same result.
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Re: C1 8.0.0 (and 8.0.1) exports crushing shadows

Postby wparsons » Thu Oct 09, 2014 12:52 pm

Christian Gruner wrote:Is the rendering intent set to the same in both application ?


C1 is set to its default rendering intent of "Perceptual." The only rendering intent option I could find in PS was under Color Settings > Conversion Options. I switched it to Perceptual from its default and tried re-opening a new file in PS, but this had no effect on the problem.

I was under the impression that the rendering intent setting in PS is only relevant when converting between profiles anyway.
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Re: C1 8.0.0 (and 8.0.1) exports crushing shadows

Postby wparsons » Thu Oct 09, 2014 12:53 pm

Also, how the heck do I change my username?

Searching the forums only returned advice to change it on the main site, but the relevant option doesn't seem to be there anymore.
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Re: C1 8.0.0 (and 8.0.1) exports crushing shadows

Postby Christian Gruner » Thu Oct 09, 2014 1:03 pm

NN635452091640097360UL wrote:
Christian Gruner wrote:Is the rendering intent set to the same in both application ?


C1 is set to its default rendering intent of "Perceptual." The only rendering intent option I could find in PS was under Color Settings > Conversion Options. I switched it to Perceptual from its default and tried re-opening a new file in PS, but this had no effect on the problem.

I was under the impression that the rendering intent setting in PS is only relevant when converting between profiles anyway.


Super,

How about the Color Settings -> Color Management Policies ?
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Re: C1 8.0.0 (and 8.0.1) exports crushing shadows

Postby wparsons » Thu Oct 09, 2014 1:11 pm

Christian Gruner wrote:How about the Color Settings -> Color Management Policies ?


All set to "Preserve Embedded" and "Ask when opening."
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Re: C1 8.0.0 (and 8.0.1) exports crushing shadows

Postby Ian3 » Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:17 pm

Keith Reeder wrote:Ah yes, Ian - the danger of "contributing" at 6 in the morning while dashing off to work!

What is this 6 in the morning of which you speak? :o

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Re: C1 8.0.0 (and 8.0.1) exports crushing shadows

Postby wparsons » Fri Oct 10, 2014 1:23 am

Anybody else have any ideas on this?
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Re: C1 8.0.0 (and 8.0.1) exports crushing shadows

Postby Alex1111 » Fri Oct 10, 2014 3:37 am

NN635452091640097360UL wrote:
My display is recently calibrated, and I do not have this issue when exporting from Lightroom.

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What is the rendering intent set to in LR?
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Re: C1 8.0.0 (and 8.0.1) exports crushing shadows

Postby wparsons » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:22 pm

Alex1111 wrote:What is the rendering intent set to in LR?


Whatever the factory default is. I've never changed it.
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