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Re: Bad D7000 colors

PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:57 pm
by dougstroud
In the mean time, you can create your own profile... as I did for the D3s. I found a Canon profile that I liked for Caucasian skin tones and then copied it to the C1's folder so it defaults to it initially.

See Here:
viewtopic.php?f=40&t=10704&p=47898&hilit=base+characteristics#p47898

This is a thread that Paul helped me in.

Re: Bad D7000 colors

PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:18 pm
by rap_digital
Sorry Olle I'm in the middle of a desert teching a campaign. Have you tried creating your own profile? It may be my iPad screen :roll: but still think the d7000 is fraction under maybe not 1/3 stop.

I find that for most things I shoot with the d7000 (it's my personal mostly landscape camera) I'm able to get better overall color than I can get out of my d3x or 5d2. I personally like that cameras have different responses.

Re: Bad D7000 colors

PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:49 pm
by Mark19
Stop-gap solution.

After much experimenting with ICC profiles, I found that a simple solution is the best for now. Simply use the Phase One IQ180 "Daylight" profile and increase saturation to about +4 to +8. This gives a much closer to true color solution.

I still call on Phase One to provide an updated default profile for D7000 cameras. While the big camera makers from Japan are slowed in production of higher end models, I have seen units like the D7000 become very popular, so it would make good business sense to fill this rare hole in C1 performance.

Re: Bad D7000 colors

PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:57 am
by Pascal22
Another solution is to build you own profile. I did it with a Gretag ColorChecker DG chart and ProfileMaker. I ended up with something very close to the Pentax K5 Generic but of course, I can easily generate several of them with more or less contrast, saturation, etc

Then I saved the C1 profile just in case and installed mine as default. Works fine and by building another profile for my Leica M9, I have very close colors between the 2 cameras.

P.S: Building its own profile is not very difficult but you need some hardware & software. I also know of at least one company which will do it for a fee. You'll still need the hardware but not the software.

Re: Bad D7000 colors / d5100 same problem

PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:44 am
by NNN634579006298375225
I have the same problem. I have upgraded from the D3100 to the d5100 (same sensor as D7000). Skin tones and overal look is very reddish. Colors seems to be oversaturated.
Changing ICC Profile to D5000 looks better. Changing to D7000 makes no differnece - so I think thats the same profile und same issue.

Default settings with Aperture 3, DxO 7 and view NX are much better than capture one default settings. I have submitted a support case to phase one. They told me, that there are no known issues with the profile. (Support was very fast and friendly)

+1 for a better profile for Nikon D7000/D5100

Re: Bad D7000 colors

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 2:14 pm
by olivernielsen
I totally agree. The skintone / color rendition of D7000 in Capture One is horrendously bad. Please fix it!

Or, is this a deliberate move to make people wanna buy Phase One backs to get good skintones? :twisted:

Re: Bad D7000 colors

PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 2:55 pm
by Drew
Anyone that feels the ICC profiles need to be adjusted, simply create a support case and provide specific files that illustrate what you feel needs to be improved. Color charts and specifics about your settings within the software (files in EIP) are highly recommended. Without files, the matter remains an opinion that we cannot substantiate.
Users are always welcome to offer suggestions and feedback for improvement but we need files that definitively show the direction you would like Capture One to take.

Re: Bad D7000 colors

PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 6:15 pm
by dave64
Months ago someone posted a portrait on this forum. It had a heavy red cast and was acknowledged as such by by a moderator at that time. We all see the same heavy red tone (not just red but overall bad). Why is that a case by case issue and not a general one?

Re: Bad D7000 colors

PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 7:36 pm
by Keith Reeder
dave64 wrote:Why is that a case by case issue and not a general one?

That's not how Phase One works - it has long (always?) been that issues will only accepted as such if "formalised" by a support case.

Makes sense really - if the devs had to jump every time a given forum thread developed a certain arbitrary "critical mass" they'd be all over the place - not a good way to maximise limited dev resources, and in the case you cite, it's not really enough to point at a jpeg posted on a forum (that might have processed God knows how) and expect this to be considered "definitive": the creation of a support case (as Drew suggests up the page) allows the devs access to Raws, development settings, behind-the-scenes confirmation of things like monitor calibration, and so on.

As an aside, I do think it's interesting that the problem referred to in this thread - too much orange-to-red in the D7000 profile - is very like what some us have commented on in the past in relation to the Cap One Canon 7D profile: and like some suggestions here, the workaround I came up with is to rename a "better" profile (in my case the Canon 1D Mk III profile) so that it's called instead of the original 7D profile.

There seems to be something of a pattern emerging here...

;)

Re: Bad D7000 colors

PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 9:02 pm
by Hambern
Okay.

Could not find any better than these to illustrate the problem. I found these pictures from Imaging resource shot under really controlled environment.

Here are two pictures achieved with Nikon Capture NX 2.

Standard settings:
Nikon D3100: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/75491456/D7000% ... andard.jpg
Nikon D7000: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/75491456/D7000% ... andard.jpg

Both look pretty similar and fairly okay.

Here are the exact same NEF-files processed with Capture One Pro 6.2.

Standard settings:
Nikon D3100: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/75491456/D7000% ... andard.jpg
Nikon D7000: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/75491456/D7000% ... andard.jpg

First of all: both look really bad. But the D7000 skin tones are HORRIBLE. Completely useless and with this kind of result you shouldn't really charge people money for your software.

Please fix this. It has taken far to long by now. And we users really shouldn't have to point this out.

Re: Bad D7000 colors

PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 9:35 pm
by Paul_Steunebrink
Hambern wrote:...

Please fix this.
...

For your information (and welcome to this user-to-user forum), for any issue you like to address directly to Phase One, please create a support case. Here, you are (primarily) talk to your peers.

Re: Bad D7000 colors

PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 9:49 pm
by Hambern
Until this is fixed it works pretty good to use Pentax K5-Generic V2 and adjust exposure up with 0,23

Re: Bad D7000 colors

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 6:06 pm
by Hambern
Paul_E wrote:For your information (and welcome to this user-to-user forum), for any issue you like to address directly to Phase One, please create a support case. Here, you are (primarily) talk to your peers.


I actually believe I've done so. And I'm sure plenty of other D7000 users has done so as well, depending on how the current D7000 profile renders colors. But sure, I can send them an e-mail, pointing this out.

Re: Bad D7000 colors

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 7:59 pm
by Hambern
An even better sollution seems to be to pick the Fujifilm X100 profile and set Brightness to +10. Leave the rest. That's a pretty good starting point.

Re: Bad D7000 colors

PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:28 pm
by swen_v
Hi Gents,

I have just started again to use C1 (pro evaluation, since I used C1 express before with other cameras) again and have the same problem with my D7000. I do not have the color problem when I use Aperture.

Has anyone made some progress here? Since this has been a long term issue and not been fixed in the current release?

cheers,
Swen