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Bad D7000 colors

Postby Olle Cello » Fri May 20, 2011 3:17 pm

Hello there

I've allways liked Capture One. A friend of mine owns it (the pro version) and I use it at lot at her place. The colors with my Nikon D70 was wonderful. Far superior to Adobe Lightroom. But now, since I've bought the new Nikon D7000 the colors från Capture One is simply horrible. Especially the hair and skin tones looks terrible. Oversaturated, especially in the shadow areas. It's simply useless. I have used the D7000 generic profile.

The only way to get decent results from Capture One with the D7000 is to change color profile to either Pentax K5 generic or Nikon D90 generic v3 profile. Then the results are okay, but then the greens and blues have the wrong hue. I've tried everything to get decent results from Capture One with my D7000 but it's simply impossible.

Is there a D7000 generiv v2 coming up or must we D7000-shooters abandon Capture One completely?

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Re: Bad D7000 colors

Postby Olle Cello » Sun May 22, 2011 1:28 pm

Anyone? Has anyone gotten the D7000 to work with Capture One?
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Re: Bad D7000 colors

Postby Paul_Steunebrink » Sun May 22, 2011 2:34 pm

I did a search on both the CO6 forums (Win & Mac) on "d7000" and was surprised to see the very few posts with that tag. Because I expect there are quite some D7000 users out there, they apparently do not have issues, otherwise they would have posted.

Maybe you can post some screen shots here or make a raw file available for review by forum members so they have something to discuss with you.

Or you open a support case with Phase One and provide them some raw files.

Do what best fits your needs.
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Re: Bad D7000 colors

Postby Olle Cello » Sun May 22, 2011 6:18 pm

Oh... My Bad... Seems like it's Nikon that has changed their colors instead. We downloaded some identical test images with different cameras and left them on default. And they did look almost identical. But processed through Nikon Capture they looked COMPLETELY different. Seems like it's the new Picture Control system that is differing from what I'm used to.

But still... left on Standard Profile with Standard film most pictures are too saturated and quite unatural skin and hair tones. But I guess I will learn to not judge the picture from what I see on the display and instead adjust my shooting to Capture One. I still prefer Capture One though. But set to Linear respons and +36 in lightness.

Thanks a lot. :D
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Re: Bad D7000 colors

Postby Paul_Steunebrink » Sun May 22, 2011 6:29 pm

Olle Cello wrote:We downloaded some identical test images with different cameras and left them on default. And they did look almost identical. But processed through Nikon Capture they looked COMPLETELY different. Seems like it's the new Picture Control system that is differing from what I'm used to.

The more variables you bring into the equation the more confused you will be. Advice: keep it simple.
Olle Cello wrote:But set to Linear respons and +36 in lightness.

That sounds terribly wrong to me.

On average subjects in regular daylight you should need minor modifications in Capture One (white balance, exposure, levels). Film curve should be set to standard and with the default profile. This should give you a satisfactory image in the viewer and the processed image should be 99% identical when viewed with Capture One or a properly color managed application like Photoshop.

Wtih any other outcome I suggest to contact support. They can review the image and the adjustments and look at other settings (monitor profile, output profile). Of course you can discuss that here too if you please.
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Re: Bad D7000 colors

Postby Baxter2 » Sun May 22, 2011 8:47 pm

I don't like the colours which C1Pro produces using the default profile for my D7000. There seems to be too much red. I experimented and for some images, the D90 version 3 profile worked better.

This is the first camera where I've had a problem with the colours from C1.

Additionally C1 import dialogue doesn't see the NEF files (haven't tried shooting jpeg), so I have to copy the card across using OSX or import via LR3. Once in the folder, C1 then sees them correctly.
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Re: Bad D7000 colors

Postby Mark19 » Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:00 pm

I have the same issue. Certain shooting conditions are fine, but skin tones in shadows are too saturated trending orange-to-red. This is not from using the C1 HDR tools, but they will further exaggerate the saturation problem. I regularly test many RAW conversion apps., and I've been a huge C1 pro user and fan since version 3. Up until the D7000 sensor, C1 pro has nailed the colors better than any competitor. C1 even does a great job with the D700 which otherwise tends to be a bit over-saturated. C1 pro is a great product, but I would like the D7000 colors more expertly handled. To me, nailing the colors (esp. skin) can be more artistically important in some situations than nailing the focus.
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Re: Bad D7000 colors

Postby dougstroud » Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:15 am

I used Nikon's Raw software "Capture NX2", I like their initial color rendering, but nothing else. I tried LR3 which was good for color but not perfect, everything else about the program I loved... except the image quality always seemed a bit lower than what it should. Then I went back to C1, and it did such a great job with the image quality and is so much faster than Capture NX2 that I made the switch. I too found my images to be to "red" in the skin tones.

I spoke to Derrick from Integrated Color who specializes in ICC Profiles and he explained that Nikon sets up their sensors to be more "accurate" compared to Canon who sets theirs to more pleasing. I changed my default ICC to a Canon profile and use it almost exclusively with Caucasian skin tones.

I am considering getting a custom profile done on my camera....
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Re: Bad D7000 colors

Postby Paul_Steunebrink » Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:05 pm

A general tip on tweaking camera profiles and how you can do this with Capture One (preferably Pro).

Use the Color Editor to change overall color rendition. Next, save it as an ICC Profile (tool's title bar, click on triangle) and use that profile in the Base Characteristics tool. Done.
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Re: Bad D7000 colors

Postby dougstroud » Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:20 pm

great tip!!! thanks paul
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Re: Bad D7000 colors

Postby Olle Cello » Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:27 pm

Hello

Still no sign of a D7000 generic v2? I've completely abandoned Capture One now as the profile for the D7000 really sucks. And here are three photos to prove my point. I've downloaded three similar pictures with three cameras: D7000, D3100 and 60D. Opened them up in Capture One, done nothing, and developed them. Nothing else. The bad one is the D7000.

This is simply not acceptable. Until you've fixed this. Capture One is simply not usable with D7000.

Nikon D3100
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27605059/D7000% ... I00100.jpg

Canon 60D
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27605059/D7000% ... 100_P2.jpg

Nikon D7000
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27605059/D7000% ... I00100.jpg
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Re: Bad D7000 colors

Postby rap_digital » Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:59 pm

Olle the d7000 in your test shots is also under exposed. So you aren't going to get the same skin as the canon. Nikon as a rule over exposes the blue channel so that they can shoot higher iso. This has the side effect of making it a little harder to get skin right, especially under exposed skin. As Paul mentioned you can get alot closer by creating a profile.

it's kinda like how we used to shoot fuji for some things and korai for others :lol:
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Re: Bad D7000 colors

Postby Olle Cello » Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:42 pm

I think you are wrong. Here it is exposed up by 0.33 EV and it still looks HORRIBLE compared to D3100 that seems to be a LOT better.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27605059/D7000% ... 100_EU.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27605059/D7000% ... I00100.jpg

In Lightroom the D7000 picture is NOT underexposed and shows overall MUCH better colors (the exact same files are used):

D3100 (no exposure change, Lightroom)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27605059/D7000% ... I00100.jpg

D7000 (no exposure change, Lightroom)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27605059/D7000% ... I00100.jpg

to be compared with...

D7000 (no exposure change, Capture One)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27605059/D7000% ... I00100.jpg
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Re: Bad D7000 colors

Postby Olle Cello » Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:10 pm

No response at all?
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Re: Bad D7000 colors

Postby Paul_Steunebrink » Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:37 pm

Does not look nice at all, indeed. As I suggested earlier, contact Phase One in a support case. Maybe it is already on their list to review the D7000 profile.
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